Thursday, March 10, 2011

The fall was not a good thing ...


Tonight, I was watching a video from the, "one minute apologist" on the "marks of a cult". He was dead on with every single point, which by the way, speaks directly to mormonism. He mentioned many things, but one of the many struck me. The view of sin, and the fall of man. If mormonism and Christianity are the same, as mormons claim, we should share a similar view on the fall. Do we? That is the question. First, what does the Bible say about the fall?


Genesis 3:17-20: " 17 Then to Adam He said, “Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat from it’; Cursed is the ground because of you; In toil you will eat of it All the days of your life. 18 “Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you; And you will eat the plants of the field; 19 By the sweat of your face You will eat bread, Till you return to the ground, Because from it you were taken; For you are dust, And to dust you shall return.” 20 Now the man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all the living. 21 The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife, and clothed them." (Notice, garments of skin from animals, as in death of animals)

Romans 5:17: " 17 For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one..."

Romans 5:19: "19 For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous."

1 Corinthians 15:22: " 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive..."

Romans 6:23: " 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

 1 Corinthians 15:56-57: " 56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law; 57 but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ."

Colossians 2:13-14: " 13 When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, 14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross."

1 Peter 2:21-24: "21 For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps, 22W HO COMMITTED NO SIN, NOR WAS ANY DECEIT FOUND IN HIS MOUTH; 23 and while being reviled, He did not revile in return; while suffering, He uttered no threats, but kept entrusting Himself to Him who judges righteously; 24 and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed."

This is by no means an exhaustive list, but tells us that, sin is bad. It is disobedience to the will of God through willful actions. Adam and Eve are guilty of this, as is the entire world. They were told not to eat of the tree, and told what would happen. They made the choice to do the opposite. That is the Christian Biblical teaching.

The Mormon Teaching however, is that man "had" to fall, and that the fall was "good".

"Adam fell that men might be; and men are. that they might have joy". (BOM 2 Nephi 2:25)

"And in that day Adam blessed God and was filled, and began to prophesy concerning all the families of the earth, saying: Blesses be the name of God, for because of my transgression my eyes are opened, and in this life I shall have joy, and again in the flesh I shall see God. And Eve, his wife, heard all these things and was glad, saying: Were it not for our transgression we never should have had seed, and never should have known good and evil, and the joy of our redemption, and the eternal life which God giveth into all the obedient." (Pearl of Great Price, Moses 5:10-11)

This taken from LDS.ORG:

"Some may regret that our first parents sinned. This is nonsense. If we had been there, and they had not sinned, we would have sinned. I will not blame Adam or Eve. Why? Because it was necessary that sin should enter into the world; no man could ever understand the principle of exaltation without its opposite; no one could ever receive an exaltation without being acquainted with its opposite. How did Adam and Eve sin? Did they come out in direct opposition to God and to his government? No. But they transgressed a command of the Lord, and through that transgression sin came into the world. The Lord knew they would do this, and he had designed that they should” (Discourses of Brigham Young, sel. John A. Widtsoe [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1941], p. 103).

• What is the difference between transgressing a law of God as Adam and Eve did and coming out in direct opposition to God as Satan did? (Attitude or motive. Satan rebelled against God and sought to destroy the purposes of God, while Adam and Eve transgressed one of God’s laws in order to fulfill another.)

• Many religions accuse Adam and Eve of being sinful, wicked people. Because we understand their transgression in its true light, how should we feel about them? (We should be deeply grateful for their willingness to make mortality possible. We see them as two of the greatest and most righteous people the earth has known.)"

This is perhaps the most shocking of all. The above comes from a lds support manual to help teach children

No, the fall was NOT a good thing. And no, God did not design the fall to make them sin. To say that God wanted Adam and Eve to sin is to go against the very nature of who God truly is.

James 1:13 says "Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone."

The truth is, because of the horror of sin, and the terror of its consequences, we are in for the judgment of God. And His judgment is just. We deserve the hell He created. It is only through accepting the gift of salvation, by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, can we escape and become the adopted children of God. Biblical Christians are bought at the highest price ever, with the blood of the Lamb of God. And that was spilled, because of sin, which mormonism would have us believe was orchastrated by God.

The Bible is truth, God's word does not change to fit into our personal beliefs, and it is perfect.

In Him,

Jamie 

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