180 Movie

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The Blood of Jesus + Anything = a Different Gospel

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Is What We Have Now What They Had Then?

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Dr. John MacArthur, Making a Case for the Authority of the Bible

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Mormonism: Understanding the History and Heresies

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Wednesday, December 5, 2012

A Response To A Critique of Creation Ex Nihilo - Free Will

Recently a gentlemen posted a link to a you tube video on my blog article, entitled: "Thanks to Adam and Eve for ... Sinning?" The video is regarding the presentation of the theory of Creation Ex Materia. I watched the video, which makes several claims that are lacking Biblical support as evident by the lack of any source in the Bible given, and commented attempting to correct the error. Since commenting, I have been pointed to video, after video, after video, rather than a single presentation by the author. So, as someone who desires to preach the word, to  give an answer, and to correct error, I have decided to take some of these videos, and go through them. This will serve 2 purposes:

1 - To correct the error that is taught

2 - To equip others and show them how to dialog on this topic.

So, with that said, here we go. First up is Video 1, entitled: "1 Problems with Ex Nihilo - Free Will"

Please feel free to watch the entire video, or simply follow along with what has been written below.

The first thing I notice is while the author of the video is glad to announce to viewers that he believes in "God", he does not tell his viewers "which" God. Based on the presentations, it appears it is the god of Mormonism, which is not the God of Christianity. In an effort to lay the ground work, the author points to the Westminster Confession of Faith, which is as he puts it, the "Mainstream Christian View" of who God is.

Now, interestingly, the author includes 2 slides, with minimal information. In fact, here is a image of those slides:

Now, anyone who has taken even a glance at the confession knows and will attest to this, that the document is not a small one, not at all. In fact, the document has several sections to it which include, but are not limited to:

  • Of the Holy Scripture
  • Of God and of The Holy Trinity
  • Of God's Eternal Decree
  • Of Creation
  • Of Providence
  • Of the Fall of man, of Sin, and of The Punishment Thereof
  • Of God's Covenant with Man
  • Of Christ the Mediator
  • Of Effectual Calling
  • Of Justification
  • Of Adoption
  • Of Sanctification
  • Of Saving Faith
  • Of Repentance unto Life
  • Of Good Works
  • Of the Perseverance of the Saints
  • Of the Assurance of Grace and Salvation
  • Of the Law of God
  • Of Christian Liberty, and Liberty of Conscience
  • Of Religious Worship, and The Sabbath Day
  • Of Lawful Oaths and Vows
  • Etc., Etc., Etc
There are 33 sections alone to this document, some with quite lengthy responses, and each, using the Bible, the written word of God as the final authority for the answers to the questions. All that to say, 2 slides that give less than 3 sentences hardly does this document justice. So rather than pointing directly to the Bible, the one and only source of doctrine for Christianity, the author goes to a very small part of a confession of faith, which is pulled from context out of section 2, which is speaking about "Of God and Of The Holy Trinity".
Interestingly, the author never quotes from the SAME document which speaks on the topic: "Of Free Will", which is his title of the video. Interesting indeed. 

At approximately the 2 minute mark, based off of what has been read for those 2 slides, the author comes to this conclusion:

God Exists
God Is Alone
God Does Not Need Anybody
God Can Do Whatever He wants
God Is Perfect
Existence Is Also Perfect Because God Is the Only Existing Entity

So, is the author correct? 

Existence: Well, according to the Bible God not only exists, but is eternally existent. So yes, the author is correct. 

God is Alone: If by "alone" the author means that the One living God exists eternally as 3 persons in a triune relationship, that is co-equal, co-eternal, and co-existent, then yes. 

God Does Not Need Anybody: This is correct. God existed before our creation. In fact, God exists outside of time, space, and matter. We see in Genesis 1:1 the creation of these 3 thing. In the beginning (time), God created (matter) the Heavens and the Earth (space). Since God exists outside of these, and is eternal, it is absolutely correct and right to say God does not "need" anybody. As God, He is complete, lacking nothing, and in perfect union. 

God Can Do Whatever He Wants: If the author means "whatever he wants" such to include things like sinning, or ceasing to be that which He is by essence, than no, God cannot do whatever He wants. God cannot lie (Numbers 23:19) for instance, so the author needs to better define his terms here. 

God is perfect: If the author is saying that God is perfect, such as to describe the immutable attributes of God, then the author is correct. 

Existence is also perfect because God is the only existing entity: If the author intends to say that the way in which God existed before the creation of all things was in perfection, then yes, that is correct. 

Then at 2 minutes 18 seconds into the video, the author has a load of questions which he fires off in rapid succession. These questions are:

  1. "The Bible says, "God is love" and if God does not change, then who was God loving before creation? Itself?"
  2. "What was God doing? Was God Not content? Wouldn't the decision to begin creating be a change?"
  3. "How long did the, "God only" existing go on?
The author then states, "Now, I don't really have the answers to these questions, but it's just something to think about."

So what we have here, are 3 questions at least, more if each question within the question was written out, that the author not only does not know, but has no intention of trying to answer. Why ask them then? To do nothing more than to create doubt so that you will find the position he is about to begin stating as more plausible than the teachings of the scriptures. 

So before we move on with his presentation, lets look at these questions. Because if one studies the Bible, instead of throwing it out when we have a question, in favor of another gospel, we will learn that God's word is indeed reliable. 

So question one is, "The Bible says, God is love and if God does not change, then who was God loving before creation? Itself?"

What does the Bible say? When describing God, does the Bible only state that God is love? How about just this confession quoted? Well the confession cant say God is "love" alone, because by the authors very own slides and quotations, the quotes call God infinite in being and perfection, a most pure spirit, possesses all sovereign dominion over all things, all sufficient, etc. So if we are trying to be consistent to the word, and understanding the word, which I am SURE this author of the video is intending to do, we must say that God must be more than just "love". So the question is, if God is more than just love, which is an attribute, what are the other attributes of God? 

Well, we can, in a matter of speaking, kill two birds with one stone, by answering this question from the confession this author quoted, and give the scriptural foundation for each answer given. So, what attributes besides love does God possess:
  • God has all life - JOHN 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself.
  • Glory - ACTS 7:2 And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran.
  • Goodness - PSALMS 119:68 Thou art good, and doest good; teach me thy statutes.
  • Blessedness - TITUS 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords. - ROMANS 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
  • Most Wise - ROMANS 16:27 To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen
  • Most Holy - ISA 6:3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory. REV 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come..
  • Immense - 1 KINGS 8:27 But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded? JER 23:23 Am I a God at hand, saith the Lord, and not a God afar off? 24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the Lord. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the Lord.
  • Eternal - PSALMS 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God. 1 TIMOTHY 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
  • Almighty - GENESIS 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. REVELATION 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
I could continue for pages and pages. But suffice it to say, the authors first question has been answered. God, who is eternal as we see from the verses above, existed in perfect relationship within the trinity which Biblically is supported in places such as John 1, Matthew 3, Matthew 28, etc. So the triune God is eternally existent, complete and lacking nothing within Himself, existed outside of time and space, which mean there were no billions of years all alone which is grounded in scripture, and therefor as I said before, lacked nothing. And of course, God does love God. The Father loves the Son, the Son loves the Father and obeys Him, etc. 

The second part of the question is, God does not change. The author is making a simple category mistake between the activities of God, and the attributes of God. If every time God acted, He also was guilty of change, we would not be able to believe the Bible when it says in Malachi 3:6 that God does not change. The fact that God was speaking would be an activity and would then by default, according to this author, be changing. 

God, throughout the Bible, acts in His creation. He speaks to prophets in the Old Testament, brings judgement upon sinful cities, delivers enemies into hands of others, provides rescue through His perfect sovereignty to the Israelite's during the Exodus, and even judges Pharaoh for his rebellion and sin. 
This is not God changing His attributes, it is God acting within His creation. 

Now, if God were to somehow suddenly command things like homosexuality, murder, rape, etc. the author may have had a valid point. But that is NOT what the Bible says. So this simple category error costs the author question one. It shows a lack of Biblical study for the word of God, and simply ripping any text that fits into your own man made theology does not constitute Biblical support. So question one, in both of its parts, has been answered. In fact, this answer will help answer the other "questions" that were raised. 

Question 2 states, "What was God doing? Was God Not content? Wouldn't the decision to begin creating be a change?"

We have already shown that God is eternally existent within the 3 persons of the Father, Son, and Spirit, and was lacking nothing. Now, simply because we do not know every activity that happened prior to the creation means nothing. It is not important, nor is it mans business what God did prior to creation. And those who know how to read the Bible realize that we speak where the Bible speaks, and we are silent where the Bible is silent. We do not create our own theories that contradict the rest of scripture, and shove it into that space. That's how you end up with false doctrines, gospels, and gods. 

So, God was lacking nothing, in perfect triune relationship, and the decision to create did NOT change who God was. God is creator, which if this author had read the section "Of Creation" in the Westminster Confession, he would have known. Allow me to quote: "It pleased God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, for the manifestation of the glory of His eternal power, wisdom, and goodness, in the beginning, to create, or make of nothing, the world, and all things therein whether visible or invisible, in the space of six days; and all very good." So question two has also been answered. 

Question 3 states, "How long did the, "God only" existing go on?"

The answer? The question is asking for a time limit on an eternal being, who exists OUTSIDE of time. Therefor, it renders the question useless. God, being outside of time, can not be asked, "for how long did you exist when there was no time?" 

So, it seems that the first three questions have been easily answered by simply going to God's Holy and inspired Word. By reading the Bible for what it says, and not for what I want to make it say. By trusting the Bible as the final authority, we see it is in fact trustworthy. 

Do to the length of this post, and I am not even a full 3 minutes in, I will break the posts into 3 for the response to video 1. 

In closing, I would like to end with this inspired verse from Isaiah 40:8

Thursday, August 9, 2012

Refuting the "Path to Perfection"

Recently, Mormon apologist and current BYU professor Dan Peterson wrote an article entitled: Perfection Is a Very Long Path, in which he lays out his case for striving to obtain perfection, to which Petersen say, "...long distance races require ... long distances".

After reading the article, which include proof texts from the Bible to support his argument, along with a few easily answered objections, I felt it was needed to respond to this article, and correct what I find as error. So below I will answer these objections.

Dan Peterson writes, "Beginning with my mission to Switzerland, I've sometimes encountered a response to Latter-day Saint claims of additional scripture that asks, rhetorically, "We're unable to live up to what we already have in the Bible, so what good would it do us to have more?" But this seems a pretty flimsy reason for dismissing the possibility, at least, of further revelation."

The very response of, "we're unable to live up to what we already have in the Bible" is itself a bad argument, especially if this is the only argument on which someone is rejecting the addition of an entire set of extra Biblical writings, claiming to be truth. The claim makes it seem as if the Bible has already laid out an impossible mission for us to achieve, and since the Bible already makes us hopeless, why add more judgement? This of course is a false claim, and is a straw man. 

What does the Bible say? Are all men sinners? Absolutely yes, which we see in Romans 3:23, Ecclesiastes 7:20, Proverbs 20:9, 1 John 1:8, Romans 3:10, and Romans 3:11 just to name a few. 

Is this however the end of our condition? Absolutely not, which several passages make clear. Christ died to redeem His people, to purchase the elect with His blood, and to forgive the sins of all those who belong to Him. We see this in Romans 5:8, Romans 4:25, Romans 8:32, 1 John 4:10, John 3:16-17, Romans 5:10, John 17:8-9, and many many others. 

So are we unable to, in and of our own selves, live up to that which the Holy Spirit inspired to be written in the Bible? Emphatically no. We are all on the way to the judgement of God if it is through our own works or righteousness that we can escape the wrath of God. However, through the drawing of God, and regeneration, we are made alive in Christ, though we were dead in our sins, as Ephesians 2:5 states clearly. So through the righteousness of Christ, and not our own, we are reconciled to God, through which we can boast in the Lord alone, as Corinthians 1:30 states so well.

Not only this, but to use the argument that we are unable to live up to the standard the Bible has set, as a means to reject additional revelation is just flawed from the very beginning. So it is a little confusing to me why this would even be put in to this article in the way it was. But the way Petersen responds does not seem to indicate he follows the line of reasoning I just laid out, as he says this is "a pretty flimsy reason for dismissing the possibility, at least, of further revelation". To me, I am struggling to truly connect the two. 

Continuing on, Peterson writes, "After all, most of us haven't yet fully mastered even Matthew 5-7, the three chapters of Christ's Sermon on the Mount. (Perhaps, of course, you're an exception.) In fact, strictly speaking, I can't live up to Matthew 5:48 ("Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect"). But this scarcely means that all of the other verses of the Bible, to say nothing of the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, the Pearl of Great Price, and, for that matter, the teachings of modern prophets and apostles, are superfluous."

And here we get to the famous proof text used over and over by Mormon leaders, with absolutely no additional information given, no context, no exposition, just a command. And so, it is with that I turn to one of the best short refutations written on this by two leaders in the area of counter-cult apologetics, and offer their argument. Dr. Norman Geisler, and Ron Rhodes. 

"This verse does not mean human beings can actually become perfect in this life. This is clear from the context. The context of this verse is that the Jewish leaders had taught that we should love those near and dear to us (Lev.19:18), but hate our enemies. Jesus, however, said we should love even our enemies. After all, Jesus said, God's love extends to all people (Matt. 5:45). And since God is our righteous standard, we should seek to be as he is in this regard. We are to be "perfect" (or "complete") in loving others as he is perfect. Furthermore, the Bible certainly does not give support to the idea that we can actually attain sinless perfection in this life, for all of us are fallen and sin continually (1 John 1:8). The good news is that by trusting in Jesus, his perfection becomes ours: "For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified" (Heb 10:14 NASB)." Correcting the Cults, Geisler, Rhodes

Now that we have dealt with the proof text, I should note that no one who understands the Bible would conclude by the proper context of Matthew 5:48, that since perfection is impossible, we should give up even striving for personal holiness, or grow and mature in our walk. In fact, one only need look to Romans 6:1-3 states quite clearly. But we put it in proper context, since we are born into this world as sinners, through sin being imputed to all as Romans 5:12 says, we have already failed perfection. We were born imperfect, sinful, enemies of righteousness, and lovers of the dark. Humans cannot undo what was already. We cannot change that we were born in sin and enemies of God, we can only look to God for mercy.

Next, Peterson give some overview of the word perfect, including some of the original text:

"Nevertheless, Matthew 5:48 remains an extraordinarily important verse. We are, it says, supposed to become "perfect." And this seems to suggest something more than mere (!) moral flawlessness or being error-free. The Greek word translated into English as "perfect" is "teleoi," which can mean both "initiated"— in that sense, the term was applied to those who had experienced the ancient Greek "mystery" rituals — and "mature" or "fully grown." I'll concentrate on the second meaning: A related Greek word is "telos," which refers to the natural end, goal or purpose of a thing. Thus, for example, the "telos" of an acorn is to become an oak. Grammarians speak of "perfect" verbs, which refer to actions that are done, completed, finished. It's in that sense, I think, that we should understand the King James Version's "perfect" at the end of Matthew 5. German translations of the passage commonly use "vollkommen" — which means, roughly, "fully come" — to render it; Arabic translations tend to use "kaamil," which means "complete." We're to become "perfect and entire, wanting nothing" (James 1:4)."

As we have just read from the prior rebuttal, this verse in context is not calling us to be free of error, but rather, that we should be complete in the love of our enemies. 

One area I do want to address is the analogy Petersen gives of the acorn who's "telos" is to become an oak. Now, I have no rebuttal of an acorn becoming an oak. It is natural, an acorn has all the information contained within to become an oak. The acorn does not change into something other than it has been created for. It is the natural order, an acorn will become an oak. However, the analogy fails instantly when one attempts to use that for something outsides of the same essence, or being, which is exactly what Peterson does next.

He writes:

"It seems to me that the Lord's command in Matthew 5:48 is suggesting that we should strive to grow up so as to be like our Father in heaven. That's our natural "telos." We are to God, potentially at least, as an acorn is to an oak. Which is, when you think about it, a stunningly powerful doctrine."

The above analogy which was true for the acorn, fails MISERABLY here when Petersen attempts to claim this verse means that our natural "telos" is to grow up as to be "like our Father in heaven", which by the way, translation of that, is to go through the process of exaltation in Mormonism, to attain the highest degree of glory, and become a God, like Heavenly Father is, of your own world. This is Mormon doctrine, so when a Mormon says they wish to become "like heavenly Father", clarify and ask if this is what they mean, because if they are honest, they have no choice but to say yes. Back to the analogy.

Mormonism teaches we are the literal offspring of God, so for Petersen, he fails to recognize he is not comparing anything different. But what does the Bible say? Is God the same essence, the same being as man? Is there even any other God?

Numbers 23:19 - "God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent; Has He said, and will He not do it? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?

Isaiah 45:5 - "I am the LORD, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known Me;"

Deuteronomy 4:35 - "To you it was shown that you might know that the LORD, He is God; there is no other besides Him."

1 Kings 8:60 - so that all the peoples of the earth may know that the LORD is God; there is no one else.

Isaiah 46:9 - "Remember the former things long past, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me,

Isaiah 45:22 - "Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth; For I am God, and there is no other.

Isaiah 45:21 - Declare and set forth your case; Indeed, let them consult together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has long since declared it? Is it not I, the LORD? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me.

This goes on and on and on. Not only is it clear that God is not a man, but that there is no other God besides He alone. That there is no comparison. Not only this, are we the children of God through flesh and blood, or by adoption? What does the Bible say?

Romans 8:23 - And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.

Ephesians 1:5 - He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,

Romans 8:15 - For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "Abba! Father!"

Galatians 4:5 - so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.

And again, many other verses. So again, the analogy that Petersen uses fails, because man was not born from God, we are dust, and our "telos" is not to have our own planet and become a God, but to glorify God and worship and serve Him alone, for all eternity. 

Continuing on, Peterson writes:

"We are God's "offspring," says the apostle Paul in Acts 17:28-29. He uses the Greek word "genos," which — closely related to our words "genus" and "kin" — can be translated as "offspring," "lineage" or "race." "The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit," he also says, "that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ." (See Romans 8:16-17; compare Galatians 4:7."

Peterson is correct that the word is "genos", which means:

genos: family, offspring
Original Word: γένος, ους, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: genos
Phonetic Spelling: (ghen'-os)
Short Definition: offspring, family, race, kind
Definition: offspring, family, race, nation, kind.

Given the doctrinally sound teaching that we are children through adoption, this verse poses zero question in the mind of the Christian, that through our adoption, which Paul writes in Romans over and over again, that we are a part of the family of God, the bride, the body of Christ. So again, the exposition provided by Petersen is lacking theological ground. And would be heretical. 

For the remainder of the article, Peterson turns to an emotional appeal that though the path leading to perfection can be filled with trials, it takes time, and brings Nephi (a book in the book of Mormon) in to the mix. 

He states, "When we arrive at the judgment bar of God, we won't be expected to be flawless; we won't be asked to enter heaven on our own merits, as if we could somehow place our Heavenly Father in our debt. If we've accepted the redemptive sacrifice of the Savior, his unique flawlessness will be ascribed to us. "It is by grace that we are saved," testified Nephi, "after all we can do" (2 Nephi 25:23)."

What Peterson fails to understand is when we arrive to the judgement of God, unless we have been regenerated by God, and serve and worship the God of the Bible, and not the polytheistic god of Mormonism, we will spent an eternity in hell, and God is absolutely just in sending us there. One of the most down right disgusting teachings in the religion of Mormonism is that we are saved by grace, after all we can do. To anyone who thinks that this, you, like Petersen, are saying that the blood of the only begotten Son of God is not only not enough for your salvation, but yours is somehow able to add to what His lacks. 

And it is with this I end, the Bible teaches clearly in the verses given above, that man is sinful, none of us are righteous, perfection is not possible, and that we are enemies of God. It is only through God drawing us to Him, and regenerating us, that we can come to God and receive what He has given so freely. There is nothing you can do in and of yourself to earn anything, because our best works are as filthy rags to a Holy and just, and righteous God. And to live life in a lie that states you must always work to attain perfection, is placing yourself outside of what the Bible teaches, and into the hands of the enemy. 

Remember, it is through His (Christ's) righteousness we are accepted and elected, and loved by God, not because of anything we could ever do. And I pray you will look to other resources on this site, find a Bible teaching church, and read your Bible, and that the God of all truth would bring you to repentance. 

Thursday, July 19, 2012

The Forgotten Trinity

Do Mormons hold to the Biblical doctrine of the Trinity? Do they affirm that within the one being that is God,  exists co-eternally, and co-equally 3 persons, namely the Father, Son, and Spirit? Or, do they deny the historical Christian stance of monotheism, and instead embrace polytheism?

The answer is sadly that yes, Mormons deny this core doctrine, and have instead replaced the One God, with three gods.

Dr. James White of aomin.org does an hour long presentation on the Biblical doctrine of the Trinity. Within the presentation, Dr. White lays out the case for the Biblical doctrine of the trinity, why it is important, and what this means.

Watch the entire video below

Saturday, July 14, 2012

Matt Slick Interviews Mormons

Matt Slick is the President and  Founder
of the Christian Apologetics and
Research Ministry
In what may be one of the absolute best interviews with Mormons on the street, Matt Slick shows how you
can dialog, debate, and with convincing boldness show the logical errors woven throughout the lie of Mormonism. Thank you to CARM and Matt Slick for their work!

This video was taken during the 2012 "Mormon Miracle Manti Pagent", which has become an excellent place to do evangelism to Mormons.

Thursday, July 5, 2012

Interview on Mormonism with Jamie Pellew

Join Devin & Melissa Pellew as they discuss topics related to biblical theology, Christian apologetics and worldview issues. This week during the first hour, we will be discussing "What is the Gospel?" and the difference between justification and sanctification, which is a key distinction that most cults do not make. During the second hour, we will have a special  guest, Jamie Pellew, of "Answering Mormons Blog" in Utah, on the air with us to discuss the Mormon view of God and salvation plus other key Mormon doctrines.  You don't want to miss this show and as always feel free to call in with your questions and comments.

The interview starts with me at the 1 hour mark, going until the end of the show. Listen in as we talk about Mormon history, the translation method, the doctrine of God in mormonism, sin in mormonism, and salvation in mormonism. 

Click HERE to listen to the show. 

Thanks to Devin and Melissa for the opportunity. 

Thursday, June 21, 2012

New Segment, Mormon Feedback

I would like to introduce a new segment to this website, Mormon Feedback. Are you Mormon? Have a Bishop who has given you a question to ask? Are you a Mormon Apologist or Blogger? Here is an opportunity to ask your question, have it posted, and make your case.

All I ask is to be respectful, and keep the question brief, and limit it to one topic, rather than addressing several questions. I will take several questions every Friday if they are sent in, and answer them accordingly.
If you are searching for truth, have a question about your belief in Mormonism, or want to refute something I have said, here is your opportunity. The goal? Glorifying God, defending the faith, and preaching the word.

So please e-mail me your questions to: answeringmormonsblogspot@gmail.com

In Him,


Saturday, June 16, 2012

If Mormon Prophets Speak, Why Don’t Mormons Let Them?

(Guest writer, Brian Roberts)

In the 1800’s the early Mormons hung on every word their prophets spoke. For they believed that salvation was found nowhere else except the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints. Bruce R. McCconkie said it best in his book Mormon doctrine he said, “If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation. There is no salvation outside the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day saints” (pg.670) of Mormon doctrine. So you would think that those that belong to such an organization would hold fast to its prophets teachings right? Guess again.

The LDS church has held to many strong doctrines in the past. Doctrines such as polygamy, the rejection of blacks receiving the priesthood, and many others. But if their Prophets spoke on these issues, and declared them as eternal, then why aren’t they? Why the shift in their position? Why have we seen such an enormous shift now, in the 21st Century? The question you should be asking is “why has the modern day church rejected so much of their founders words?” Weren’t these men the prophets of God and spoke for God, right? Wasn’t what the spoke as if God had spoken?

How often do you here testimonies that say “I like to bear my testimony, I know this church is true. I know that Joseph smith was a true prophet”,  it’s very interesting to note however, that this statement that fills the mouth of millions of Mormons couldn’t be further from the truth. Is Joseph smith really a true prophet? I mean lets be real, he was a boy who had an encounter with God Himself telling him to not join any of the so called sects of religion in his day. He was told all were corrupt, and taught the commandments of men. He was even told all of the professors of religion were in error, and no institution outside of the LDS faith had any saving ability. So you would think that all that was told to the prophet was true, and that the doctrines he claimed were eternal truths. Think about it! If this was true, then Joseph Smith, and all those who followed his succession would have a direct line to God, and be the only ones on the planet that possessed truth.

In essence all religion belonging to Christianity beginning after the Apostle John died was corrupt, and in the dark. The eternal truths that the LDS prophets brought should have been a breath of fresh air, and open to no interpretation. For their words were final, having come from a God who now has given the fullness of the gospel in these latter-days. But as the modern day church has come under the spotlight it has taken on much of the burden off their founders. Many of the things that their prophets of old have said, have been explained away by its modern day members. In the effort to look more Christian, we have seen what used to be eternal truths, now seen as only being pertinent in their time, for specific people.
I bet that the prophets and apostles of the Mormon church believed that what they were authoritative! I would go as far to say that anyone who believed otherwise was called an apostate!

According to the ward teacher’s message for June 1945 it contains a statement similar. It states that “Any Latter-day Saint who denounces or opposes, whether actively or otherwise, any plan or doctrine advocated by the prophet’s, seers, and revelators’ of the church is cultivating the spirit of apostasy… Lucifer…wins a great victory when he can get members of the church to speak against their leaders and to do their own thinking.” So we see that the church believed that those that spoke for God spoke with authority. The improvement era, in June 1945 (pg.354), made this statement “when our leader’s speak, the thinking has been done. When they propose a plan-its God’s plan. When they point the way, there is no other which is safe. When they give direction, it should mark the end of controversy.” Interesting since there has been over 300 sects of Mormonism developed in the past 200 years. Heber C. Kimball, first council to Brigham Young, made these statements: “When brother Joseph smith lived, he was our prophet, our seer, and revelator; He was our dictator in the things of God, and it was for us to listen to him, and do just as he told us” (Journal of discourses v.2, p.106)

On September 6, 1857, Thomas B Marsh declared: “I have now got a better understanding of the presidency of the church than I formerly had. I used to ask myself what is the difference between the president of our church, and the Pope? True, he is not called a Pope, but names do not alter realities, and therefore he is a pope”. (Journal of discourses, vol. 5 pg.208) The founder of Mormonism Joseph smith gave a revelation for his followers to “ give heed unto all his words and commandments which he shall give unto you… his word ye shall receive, as if from mine own mouth, in all patience and faith” (Doctrine and Covenants 21:4-5) And finally we have it declared to us in the Journal of discourses vol.7 pgs.374-375, which states “ God placed Joseph Smith at the head of this church; God has likewise placed Brigham Young at the head of this church; we are commanded to give heed to their words in all things, and receive their words as from the mouth of God, in all patience and faith”

Whether Mormons want to believe it or not this speaks volumes to how the inspired leaders saw themselves, and how those that were under their authority were to act in accordance to their words. It is plainly obvious that when the founders spoke they spoke from God. Either the founders were who they said they were or not. If Mormons are the only ones dispensing truth in our day, then why is it being discarded? Judging by what the founders said about how the members are to heed to their words, I would say that the modern day church is in a state of apostasy! Why can’t the Mormon church be real about what they teach? Plural marriage was essential to gaining entrance into the celestial kingdom according to the revelation by Joseph Smith on July 12, 1843. Yet the modern day Mormon will say, “well that’s what happens in heaven not on earth”, hmmm is that how the prophet who received revelation saw it?

Let us take a look at that revelation:

“verily, thus saith the Lord unto my servant Joseph, that in as much as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and Doctrine of having many wives and concubines- behold and lo, I am the Lord they God and will answer thee as touching this matter. Therefore prepare they heart to receive and obey the instructions which I am about to give unto you, for all those who have this law revealed unto them must obey the same. For behold, I reveal unto you a NEW AND EVERLASTING COVENANT; AND IF HE ABIDE NOT THAT COVENANT, THEN Y ARE DAMNED, FOR NO ONE CAN REJECT THIS COVENANT AND BE PREMITTED INTO MY GLORY” there is more to this revelation but it does not pertain to the subject at hand.

Mormons, please listen! This is your founder, your “seer” your “revelator” your “prophet” and to not ‘Heed” his word, as he says, you will be “damned”! Let this sink in please! I am not in any way trying to be harsh, but I want the modern church to understand that you don’t allow the Prophets to speak as they spoke. Where is the understanding of what a new and everlasting covenant is? It is binding and will never change. This is how your founder perceived his words to mean. they were not subject to change. I’m sorry modern day church, but you are damned. And according to Joseph Smith you will not be permitted to enter into God’s glory.

This revelation shows us that it was to be happening on earth, not in heaven. For just as he says, the servants of God in the Old Testament were “justified”, so would the Mormon people during their lifetime. But due to the overwhelming persecution for their practice of polygamy by the federal government, the LDS church had to make changes. This coming down to an ultimatum, either quit the practice of polygamy, or you cannot become a state. The church choose the latter. But just because latter prophets had “revelations” stating that the doctrine of polygamy was no longer practiced, means nothing. Cause the understanding of everlasting is absent in the minds of all those who choose to reject the words of their founder Joseph Smith.

I want the Mormon people to understand that when God uses a prophet it is for the means of getting His word across to His people. In the Old Testament, we see God using prophets as a means of judgment for His people. For instance Ezekiel was sent by God to speak His words whether the people listened or not. He was to go to the exiles and speak to them, and to say all that God commands. Whether the people listened or not they heard “THUS SAYS THE LORD” (Eze.3:11). Look at all the mighty prophets of old, God used them to dispense His word. When judgment fell on the house of Judah God sent Jeremiah to proclaim judgment on the people. One of the main ways God proved that He was God was by sending a spokesperson on His behalf. For there were many prophets that claimed they spoke for God, so the issue of validity had to be proven. We see an excellent example of this in 1 Kings 18. But after this confrontation with Elijah and Baal, what do we see after  God rained fire from heaven? In vs. 39 it states that “ when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces; and they said, “THE LORD, HE IS GOD; THE LORD, HE IS GOD.” for the people realized that it was the true God that had the power. And this power was shown through His servant Elijah.

Whether in the face of harm, isolation, or even death, the prophets of old proclaimed the message to His people by proclaiming “ THUS SAYS THE LORD” even when it put His servants at risk. Put to the test the prophets of old were authentic in the eyes of the people, for it was God who authenticated them. And the major way this was done, was by foretelling events. So what do we see when the LDS prophets are told to authenticate their office? 

This is a transcript from the Reed-Smoot investigation between Senator Dubios, and the sixth president of the Mormon church Joseph F. Smith:

“Senator Dubios.- have you received any revelations from God, which has been submitted by you and the apostles to the body of the church in their semiannual conference, which revelation has been sustained by that conference, through the upholding of their hands?

“Mr. Smith- since when?

“Senator Dubios- since you have become president of the church.

“Mr. Smith- No, sir, none whatever

“Senator Dubios- have you received any individual revelation yourself, since you became president of the church under your own definition, even, of a revelation?

“Mr. Smith- I cannot say that I have.

“Senator Dubios- can you say that you have not?

“Mr. Smith- no; I cannot say that I have not.

“Senator Dubios- then you do not know whether you have received any such revelation as you have described or whether you have not?

“Mr. Smith- well, I can say this: that if I live as I should in the line of my duties, I am susceptible, I think, of the impressions of the spirit of the Lord upon my mind at any time, just as any good Methodist or any other good church member might be. And so far as that is concerned, I say yes; I have had impressions of the Spirit upon my mind very frequently, but they are not in the sense of revelations” (Reed Smoot case, Vol.1 pages 483-484).

On pages 99 of the same volume Joseph F. Smith stated: “I have never pretended to nor do I profess to have received revelation” I hope we all can see that a true prophet of God does not in any way denounce his calling. Those prophets of old, even under extreme persecution from the people, never stopped proclaiming “THUS SAYS THE LORD.” But as we have seen it didn’t take much for the Mormon prophet to profess his inability to receive revelation.

You would think that this would be enough for the Mormon people to see that those who claim to be prophets in this world, when put to the test, they do not stand. As a former Mormon, I have put the LDS prophets through the litmus test of Deut, 18,13, and have seen time and time again that they fail the test.
May Christians have a discerning mind to what people call prophets, and measure it against the word of God.

Friday, June 1, 2012

The Reliability of the New Testament

One of the leading claims of Mormonism, and indeed, a pillar of it's very existence, is that the Bible is not completetely reliable.

The Bible is viewed as:
  • Mistranslated
  • Full of error
  • Corrupted
  • Incomplete

If the Bible was complete, correctly translated, inerrant, and complete, the church founder Joseph Smith would have been "out of a job". So by necessarily, the Bible could not be any of these things for Joseph Smith to start Mormonism.

What is the official position of the church? In part, we read from lds.org:

"The Bible is not God’s final revelation to humanity, however, and neither is this collection of sacred writings complete. The Bible itself speaks of other authoritative books of scripture including books of Nathan the prophet and of Jehu and Enoch, the prophecy of Ahijah, the visions of Iddo the seer, and even missing epistles of Paul (see 2 Chronicles 9:29; 13:22; 20:34; 1 Corinthians 5:9; Jude 1:14). Other books of Latter-day Saint scripture—the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price—clarify the gospel as taught in the Bible and corroborate the truthfulness of the Biblical witness of Jesus Christ."

The encyclopedia of Mormonism says the following, from the mouth of the founder of Joseph Smith:

"I believe the Bible as it read when it came from the pen of the original writers. Ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many errors" (TPJS, p. 327)."

Bruce McConkie, a former member of the Quorum of the 12 Apostles had this to say regarding part of the Bible:

"Proverbs,Ecclesiastes, and Lamentations are interesting books; Job is for people who like the book of Job; and the Song of Solomon is biblical trash — it is not inspired writing." You may view this for yourself here.

Recently, the world was introduced to a wonderful graph which actually looks at the textual evidence for historical writings. I believe that Tim McGrew had quite a bit to do with this graph. 

One thing I would call to your attention, is the lack of Mormonism even being mentioned. If we are honest, the Mormon church criticized the Christians by charging them with having an error filled, mistranslated, incomplete book. With such a charge, one might ask what the textual evidence is for Mormonism, since Christianity enjoys far more than 20,000 copies ... the Book of Mormon? Zero. Thats right. Not one single solitary golden plate has been provided, or anything close to the like. Surprising that a church that is unable to verify a single text from its origin, would criticize the Bible, which is by far has the best manuscript evidence of any book from the ancient world. 

So with all confidence, call into question the claims of Mormons who bash the reliability of the word of the only living God!

Thursday, May 31, 2012

Justified by Grace, and the Work of Christ

Are you justified by the grace of God, through the death and the work of Christ alone? Can you affirm this? Or are you saved by grace only after all you have done yourself? And what does the Bible say?

The Book of Mormon book of Alma 11:37 states:“And I say unto you again that he cannot save them in their sins; for I cannot deny his word, and he hath said that no unclean thing can inherit the kingdom of heaven; therefore, how can ye be saved, except ye inherit the kingdom of heaven? Therefore, ye cannot be saved in your sins”

And in 2nd Nephi, Chapter 25:23, it says: "For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do."

To receive Mormon Exaltation, which is in their teaching the "3rd and highest degree of heaven" where they can become a God of their own planet, they must:

1. We must be baptized.
2. We must receive the laying on of hands to be confirmed a member of the Church of Jesus Christ and to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
3. Brethren must receive the Melchizedek Priesthood and magnify their callings in the priesthood.
4. We must receive the temple endowment.
5. We must be married for eternity, either in this life or in the next.
In addition, they must:

1. Love God and our neighbors.
2. Keep the commandments.
3. Repent of our wrongdoings.
4. Search out our kindred dead and receive the saving ordinances of the gospel for them.
5. Attend our Church meetings as regularly as possible so we can renew our baptismal covenants by partaking of the sacrament.
6. Love our family members and strengthen them in the ways of the Lord.
7. Have family and individual prayers every day.
8. Teach the gospel to others by word and example.
9. Study the scriptures.
10. Listen to and obey the inspired words of the prophets of the Lord.

In contrast, the Bible tells us that we are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone (See Ephesians 2:8-9) and that the work of Christ is what saves. Romans 5:1 reminds us that we have peace through Christ knowing we have been justified by faith. One of the most destructive parts of Mormon teaching is that it elevates fallen humanity, and gives us the power and glory, in that it attempts to add to the death of Christ, and what it was Jesus accomplished on the cross. It fails to agree with scripture that man in his fallen state is totally depraved, dead, and cannot receive the things of God. And that it was the power of God that made us alive, and we see this in Colossians 2:13, and 1st Corinthians 2:14.

Colossians 2:13 says: "When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions..."

1st Corinthians 2:14 says: "But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised."

Until God regenerates us with His spirit, which is only His own work, we are dead in our sins. 

As Dr. Steven J. Lawson says, "Salvation, from start to finish, is complete and total work of God".

When we add anything at all to the death of Christ, as if it was insufficient for His bride, we have just rejected Biblical truth, and have ourselves chosen a false gospel over what Christ has proclaimed. 

This is to say nothing of the other doctrinal and theological issues in the list above, but is itself dealing with the heresy of works based salvation. Below is a song that I heard that I believe really drives this point home, and challenge you to listen to eat, search the Bible, and in Jesus name, repent and believe in the gospel. 

Tuesday, February 7, 2012

Thanks to Adam and Eve for ... Sinning?

Perhaps you have visited one of the many official Mormon church websites. As I was reading the Mormon.org website, I came upon the following article entitled, "Adam and Eve Gave Us the Gift of Choice" which can be found here. I will quote the article in its entirety, then put it to the test:

The article from www.mormon.org
"Adam and Eve Gave Us the Gift of Choice
You may know the story of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, but did you know it was they who paved the way for the rest of us to come to earth, make choices, and become like our Heavenly Father?

As God’s first children on earth, Adam and Eve were living in their garden paradise. They didn’t feel any sorrow or pain, which might seem nice, except that without it, they also couldn’t feel joy. They didn’t remember their pre-earth life. If they hadn’t eaten the forbidden fruit, they would have lived like that forever and never had children. Mankind never would have been born or the world populated.

As we know, Adam and Eve succumbed to Satan’s temptations to eat the fruit and disobeyed God who had commanded them not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. As a consequence, they were separated from God’s presence physically and spiritually—an event we refer to as the Fall. They became mortal—just as we are—subject to sin, disease, all types of suffering, and ultimately death. But it wasn’t all bad because they could now feel great joy. “Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy.” (2 Nephi 2:25) But as they were obedient to the Gospel of Jesus Christ Adam and Eve were able to receive God’s inspiration, revelation, and even visits from heavenly messengers.

Once out of the garden, they were able to progress and learn to become more like our Heavenly Father. In addition, they could have children, which meant the rest of God’s spirit children (all of us) could come to Earth, experience physical bodies, and be proven by our daily choices. Just like Adam and Eve, there are consequences to all our choices, good or bad. Lasting happiness and progression come from choosing to do what God wants us to do. The key word is “choosing.” Generally God does not step in and prevent us from making the poor choices Satan tempts us to make. He will, however, offer his love, divine guidance, and warnings when we open our heart to Him."

When comparing any Mormon doctrine, we must go directly to the source of truth, which is the Bible alone. If we do not have a final authority, it is impossible  to show error as error. So let's compare what the Bible teaches, and see if it is in harmony with what the Mormon teaching says.

The article starts off with, "You may know the story of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, but did you know it was they who paved the way for the rest of us to come to earth, make choices, and become like our Heavenly Father?"

No where in the Bible do we see anything that even comes close to alluding to this, it is pure conjecture to say that Adam and Eve "paved the way" for anyone to come to earth, and makes choices, or become like God. It simply is not there. In fact, throughout the Bible, we never once see the fall of man, and our original sin, painted in a good light. It is never something that anyone is thankful for, it is never a blessing, and it is never credited to them as sinning for the "benefit of humanity" in order to make the human race possible. I cannot be more clear or direct, this teaching just is not there. In fact, we will see that it actually goes against what Holy Scripture says.

The article continues, "As God’s first children on earth, Adam and Eve were living in their garden paradise. They didn’t feel any sorrow or pain, which might seem nice, except that without it, they also couldn’t feel joy." 

Is this really true? Is it logical to conclude that since Adam and Eve were in paradise and could not feel any sorrow or pain, they therefor were unable to feel joy? We must go to the Bible to put this to the test:

1 - Adam was created in a paradise. Adam was the first human being, and was the first human being to see the finished creation of a totally perfect world, undiluted by the fall, without sin, and in the presence of God. To say that Adam and Eve could not feel joy because they had not fallen flies in the face of scripture. Psalm 16:11 says, "You make known to me the path of life; in your presence there is fullness of joy; at your right hand are pleasures forevermore." It is to say that God Himself was not enough, which is a consistent theme in Mormonism.

2 - God placed Adam in the garden of Eden to cultivate and take care of this paradise (Gen. 2:8). This garden was full of every tree that were pleasing to the sight, that was good for food, along with the tree of life as well (Gen. 2:9).

3 - There were rivers which flowed right out of the garden, giving a fresh water source, along with gold, and other precious stones (Gen. 2:10-14).

4 - God not only places the man, but gives him permission to eat of absolutely any tree in the garden, with the one exception of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and God is even good enough to tell Adam that if he were to eat of that tree, he will die! (Gen. 2:15-17)

5 - The man was given the duty of naming all of the animals, and the Bible tells us that God brought the animals to the man to name. Adam had the joy of seeing every animal, naming it, and without fear of being ripped to shreds or torn up by the dinosaurs, the lions, or the bears! (Gen. 2:18-19)

6 - God knew that it was not good for the man to be alone, He knew that none of the animals were a suitable helper, and so knowing this, God shows His grace and creates woman out of man, giving Adam a WIFE! Adam seems to sound happy when he says, "The man said, “This is now bone of my bones, And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man.” (Gen. 2:23)

Here we see the institution of marriage started! How is this not joyous?

It seems to be an understatement to say that the notion of Adam and Eve not having sorrow or pain stopped them from having the ability to feel happiness and joy is unbiblical. To suggest this is simply to ignore several verses in the Bible in which we have words from the first man, and from God Himself.

Next, the article says, "They didn’t remember their pre-earth life. If they hadn’t eaten the forbidden fruit, they would have lived like that forever and never had children. Mankind never would have been born or the world populated."

Is this true? Remember, there is nothing in the Bible to suggest a "pre-mortal" existence of man. Is it true that had Adam and Eve not sinned, they would not be allowed to have children? Let's go to the Bible and let it answer this question.

We read in the very first chapter of Genesis, the following:
Genesis 1: 26-31

26Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” 29Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; 30and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food”; and it was so. 31God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

So here we have the Bible stating as clear as day that on the 6th day that Adam and Eve were BLESSED by God, and told to multiply, which would mean to have children, and not only that, to rule the earth! So the Bible completely refutes this idea that the only way Adam and Eve would be able to have children is to willfully, purposefully, and deliberately disobey God, and sin against our perfect and Holy God.

The article continues, "As we know, Adam and Eve succumbed to Satan’s temptations to eat the fruit and disobeyed God who had commanded them not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. As a consequence, they were separated from God’s presence physically and spiritually—an event we refer to as the Fall. They became mortal—just as we are—subject to sin, disease, all types of suffering, and ultimately death. But it wasn’t all bad because they could now feel great joy."

You may have done as I did after reading this and shake your head. Adam and Eve, by sinning according to Mormon doctrine, now were separated from God's presence ... do not gloss over this, they were separated from God's presence both physically, and spiritually,they become mortal, subjected to disease, all sorts of suffering, and death ... but hey, it's not all bad, they now could feel "great joy"? How on earth could the separation from God both physically and spiritually, being subjected to every disease, suffering and death give them joy, when being in the very home God created for them, walking in the presence of God the Father, being given the earth to rule over, and being in a world without sin could not give them joy? Does anyone see any sort of a problem here?

Not to mention, if it was a sin for them to fall, yet also a blessing, how on earth can God be viewed as just? He would punish Adam and Eve for a sin that would result in the need of a perfect sacrifice, Jesus, a sin that God ultimately wanted them to commit? I am not sure how many more ways you can go wrong with this theology. Again, NONE of this is in the Bible to begin with! But in order to make it fit, we have this sloppy, confusing, hypocritical order of things Mormons must believe in, just to make it possible.

Then the article states, "“Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy.” (2 Nephi 2:25) But as they were obedient to the Gospel of Jesus Christ Adam and Eve were able to receive God’s inspiration, revelation, and even visits from heavenly messengers."

Adam was obedient to the Gospel of Jesus by ... sinning? The same sin that caused death to spread to all men? Romans 5:12 and 5:15 speak to the fact that through one man, sin entered the world, and sin brought death! We see the results of this sin immediately in the fact that in Genesis 3, the world is cursed, man is driven from the Garden, and we see the first death in which Adam and Eve are clothed in animal skins, as we know the Bible says in Romans 6:23, that the wages of sin is death! And in order to make a perfect sacrifice, it took the perfect Son of God to die on the cross. So to say that Adam was obedient to the Gospel of Jesus by sinning is as disgusting as it is blasphemous.

Lastly, the article states, "Once out of the garden, they were able to progress and learn to become more like our Heavenly Father. In addition, they could have children, which meant the rest of God’s spirit children (all of us) could come to Earth, experience physical bodies, and be proven by our daily choices. Just like Adam and Eve, there are consequences to all our choices, good or bad. Lasting happiness and progression come from choosing to do what God wants us to do. The key word is “choosing.” Generally God does not step in and prevent us from making the poor choices Satan tempts us to make. He will, however, offer his love, divine guidance, and warnings when we open our heart to Him."

Again, we have no Biblical basis for believing that after the fall, we could now become like God (which is an entirely other problem since we are told many many times throughout the entirety of scripture that there is but One God, and no other, and that man can never become a god), or now progress, or only now have children, or release some sort of "spirit baby" floating in the heavens. The article has no problem promoting along with this unbiblical heretical doctrine, the importance of "choosing the right" (CTR rings which most Mormons will wear), and that God wants us to "choose" good.

1st Corinthians 2:14 says, "But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised." We are not able to choose enough good works to lead us to heaven. We do not deserve heaven, but hell. It is the grace of God that He sent Jesus to die so that we might be made alive, and pass from death to life! And while yes James tells us faith without works is dead, He does not say works lead unto salvation. Our salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, the works are a side effect of sorts of the new life we live. The works we do are out of gratefulness and thankfulness, not out of our working our way to heaven.

Romans 4:4 states, "Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation." It is not through our works, but through faith in Christ, and that faith produces works, but these works do not save us.

This post is to show the errors contained within the emotional draw and appeal from the Mormon church. Friends, if you are a Mormon reading this, please understand that placing your faith in the wrong God, as sincere as you may be, is still wrong. Someone once said, if 50 million people say something foolish, they have still spoken foolishly. This is to say that just because a large group of people believe something, the number of people does not all of a sudden make the thing true. God is clear, unless you believe in Him, and Him alone, the true God revealed in the Bible, you will die in your sins, and will be on your way to an eternal hell.

I pray you will place your trust in Him, research these issues, and feel free to comment on this blog post and ask any questions.

In Him,

Friday, February 3, 2012

Hidden truths behind the Church of the Latter Day Saints (Mormonism) LDS

Have you wondered what the Mormon church actually teaches? Perhaps you have heard your Mormon friends talk about God, and Heaven, and you figure that since they are using the same words as a Christian, they must be a Christian. Do you wish someone could quickly, yet accurately walk you through exactly what Mormons believe and show why it is inconsistent with Biblical Christianity? Then watch the video below!

Dr. James White of Alpha & Omega Ministries is a leading apologist who has debated with Mormon apologists such as Van Hale, Potter, and Van Hale. It is not only the understanding he has of Mormonism, but the grasp on what Christianity actually teaches that helps him demolish his opponents. This video is one of the best I have ever seen, and I am shocked it does not have more views! Please watch the video below, and leave a comment on my blog! If your a Mormon, lets have a discussion on these issues!

Tuesday, January 31, 2012

Mormons Are Leaving Mormonism

This week, there have been numerous stories of interest, and I could not pass up the opportunity to make sure  you are aware of these. It appears that Mormons are leaving, despite claims to the contrary. So why the "exodus"?  Well, to quote one of the stories from the Salt Lake Tribune, “Never before have we had this information age, with social networking and bloggers publishing unvetted points of view,” Jensen said in an interview Monday. “The church is concerned about misinformation and distorted information, but we are doing better and trying harder to get our story told in an accurate way.”

Now, I do realize that there are a lot of people out there who have no problem publishing stories that are simply not true, however, the organizations that I read and see speak about Mormonism are not publishing some "unvetted points of view", but are instead using Mormon doctrine and resources to show what the Mormon church does it's best to hide.

The positive side about what Jensen said? Mormons are investigating their faith. This is awesome news. Also, Mormons are finding websites, such as this, which examines Mormon doctrine, and compares it directly to Biblical Christianity, and in some cases, against itself. So I encourage you to pray for your Mormon friends, to refer sites like this one out, and to most importantly, understand why you believe what you believe.

What I believe is happening is, there has been such tremendous information made available to disprove the claims of Mormonism, that despite the Mormon church's desire to act as if this isn't happening, people are reading, watching, and studying this material, and are finding out that they have been led astray. An example of these resources would be "The Bible vs The Book of Mormon", and "DNA vs The Book of Mormon". Both of these videos can be watched for free on this blog under the "Free Resources" tab.

So on to the stories.

First, this story from Reuters entitled: Special report -Mormonism besieged by the modern age
Second, this from the Salt Lake Tribune: Mormons tackling tough questions in their history

Please note, the SL Trib story puts the problem in a much less serious light, as the article speaks of those against the church as "anti-mormons" instead of "anti mormonism".

Wednesday, January 25, 2012

Faith or Logic?

Can someone who claims that they are a Christian really have both faith and reason? Can a Christian truly use the laws of logic within his/her own worldview? Or as I have been told several times by Mormons, does the use of logic and reason mean that we no longer live by faith? Let's take a look .. starting with what else? A logical fallacy known as a False Dichotomy.

What is a false dichotomy? A false dichotomy is a logical fallacy that seeks to present a scenario, and give only two options. An example of this fallacy might be: "So, have you stopped beating your wife yet?" If I asked you this question, you would be shocked I am sure! If you say, "yes", then this indicates you were in fact at one time beating your wife, but have since seemingly stopped, seeing the error of your way.
If your respond with, "no" this indicates that you have indeed continued to beat your wife, and have not stopped at all.

There is a third option here, which is to simply say, "I have never beat my wife". So looking over this reasoning, is it fair to say that when we use logic or reason, we are no longer living by faith? Is it either pure faith with no logic and reason, or is it pure logic and reason, thereby excluding the possibility of faith?

The answer is as you might have guessed, neither! As a Christian who has the standard of authority as the Bible, I believe that God created and gave us a mind to use, and that logic and reason comes from the source of all wisdom, God Himself. And if logic and reason are a gift from God, than using those gifts in conjunction with my faith is not wrong at all, but is in fact very good! Notice, it is not an "either - or" option, but both. I believe that since I have used logic and reasoning in Christianity, my faith has grown in a way it never has before.

I have heard this said from several different Christian apologists, the most recent being Greg Koukl of Stand to Reason; "What I believe in my heart must also make sense in my head". How beautifully said. I can have all the faith in the world, and truly believe something is true, but if I refuse to employ logic and reason, what then is my source of objective truth? If all I am using for my standard is subjective feelings, then what makes my belief in Christianity any more valid than the Mormon's belief in Mormonism? If we are going by purely subjective feelings, why is it that the Mormons testimony they bear you that the Book of Mormon is true and that Joseph Smith was a true prophet, trumps my testimony which says that the Book of Mormon is false, Joseph Smith was a false prophet, and that Christianity is alone in the truth?

While I do not doubt the sincerity of belief or the passion behind a testimony, honestly, people from other faiths have amazing testimonies of their own faith. Why is a Muslims testimony any less valid than that of a Mormon if all we are measuring it by is faith? The answer is that there must be more. My believing Christianity is true is fine, but what if I am faced with evidence that stands in direct contradiction to my faith? What happens when the Mormon is shown that Joseph Smith was a false prophet? Does their desire to have him be a true prophet somehow overrule the truth? Perhaps in their heart it may, but it reality the answer is no.

Faith, reason, and logic all go together. It is through reason and logic we can look at arguments and test them to see if they are valid, or not. But simply making an emotional appeal to believe does not constitute evidence, or proof. When we look at the Bible, in particular the New Testament, we see people like Paul who was willing to reason with the unbelievers, not through emotional appeal alone, but through evidences, and reason. We see this happening when he corrected false teachings, such as baptism for the dead.

Lastly to keep in mind when responding to this argument, how exactly did the Mormon come to this conclusion? How did the Mormon come to the conclusion that faith and logic are not able to be used in conjunction with one another? Are they not using reason (be it flawed) to come to this conclusion? And I would encourage you to ask them that question by saying, "how did you come to that conclusion"? More than likely, you will hear them express their thoughts on the matter which would allude to them using both logic and reason to come to a conclusion. Again, this is self defeating.

So is it faith or reason? We as Christians who hold the standard of truth as the Bible can emphatically answer BOTH! It is through these God given gifts that we are able to recognize heresy and false teaching, along with the power of the Holy Spirit, and comparing all claims to the word of God, the Bible.

In Him,


For more information on this topic, click HERE for an article from Stand to Reason