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Wednesday, December 5, 2012

A Response To A Critique of Creation Ex Nihilo - Free Will

Recently a gentlemen posted a link to a you tube video on my blog article, entitled: "Thanks to Adam and Eve for ... Sinning?" The video is regarding the presentation of the theory of Creation Ex Materia. I watched the video, which makes several claims that are lacking Biblical support as evident by the lack of any source in the Bible given, and commented attempting to correct the error. Since commenting, I have been pointed to video, after video, after video, rather than a single presentation by the author. So, as someone who desires to preach the word, to  give an answer, and to correct error, I have decided to take some of these videos, and go through them. This will serve 2 purposes:

1 - To correct the error that is taught

2 - To equip others and show them how to dialog on this topic.

So, with that said, here we go. First up is Video 1, entitled: "1 Problems with Ex Nihilo - Free Will"

Please feel free to watch the entire video, or simply follow along with what has been written below.

The first thing I notice is while the author of the video is glad to announce to viewers that he believes in "God", he does not tell his viewers "which" God. Based on the presentations, it appears it is the god of Mormonism, which is not the God of Christianity. In an effort to lay the ground work, the author points to the Westminster Confession of Faith, which is as he puts it, the "Mainstream Christian View" of who God is.

Now, interestingly, the author includes 2 slides, with minimal information. In fact, here is a image of those slides:





Now, anyone who has taken even a glance at the confession knows and will attest to this, that the document is not a small one, not at all. In fact, the document has several sections to it which include, but are not limited to:

  • Of the Holy Scripture
  • Of God and of The Holy Trinity
  • Of God's Eternal Decree
  • Of Creation
  • Of Providence
  • Of the Fall of man, of Sin, and of The Punishment Thereof
  • Of God's Covenant with Man
  • Of Christ the Mediator
  • Of Effectual Calling
  • Of Justification
  • Of Adoption
  • Of Sanctification
  • Of Saving Faith
  • Of Repentance unto Life
  • Of Good Works
  • Of the Perseverance of the Saints
  • Of the Assurance of Grace and Salvation
  • Of the Law of God
  • Of Christian Liberty, and Liberty of Conscience
  • Of Religious Worship, and The Sabbath Day
  • Of Lawful Oaths and Vows
  • Etc., Etc., Etc
There are 33 sections alone to this document, some with quite lengthy responses, and each, using the Bible, the written word of God as the final authority for the answers to the questions. All that to say, 2 slides that give less than 3 sentences hardly does this document justice. So rather than pointing directly to the Bible, the one and only source of doctrine for Christianity, the author goes to a very small part of a confession of faith, which is pulled from context out of section 2, which is speaking about "Of God and Of The Holy Trinity".
Interestingly, the author never quotes from the SAME document which speaks on the topic: "Of Free Will", which is his title of the video. Interesting indeed. 

At approximately the 2 minute mark, based off of what has been read for those 2 slides, the author comes to this conclusion:

God Exists
God Is Alone
God Does Not Need Anybody
God Can Do Whatever He wants
God Is Perfect
Existence Is Also Perfect Because God Is the Only Existing Entity

So, is the author correct? 

Existence: Well, according to the Bible God not only exists, but is eternally existent. So yes, the author is correct. 

God is Alone: If by "alone" the author means that the One living God exists eternally as 3 persons in a triune relationship, that is co-equal, co-eternal, and co-existent, then yes. 

God Does Not Need Anybody: This is correct. God existed before our creation. In fact, God exists outside of time, space, and matter. We see in Genesis 1:1 the creation of these 3 thing. In the beginning (time), God created (matter) the Heavens and the Earth (space). Since God exists outside of these, and is eternal, it is absolutely correct and right to say God does not "need" anybody. As God, He is complete, lacking nothing, and in perfect union. 

God Can Do Whatever He Wants: If the author means "whatever he wants" such to include things like sinning, or ceasing to be that which He is by essence, than no, God cannot do whatever He wants. God cannot lie (Numbers 23:19) for instance, so the author needs to better define his terms here. 

God is perfect: If the author is saying that God is perfect, such as to describe the immutable attributes of God, then the author is correct. 

Existence is also perfect because God is the only existing entity: If the author intends to say that the way in which God existed before the creation of all things was in perfection, then yes, that is correct. 

Then at 2 minutes 18 seconds into the video, the author has a load of questions which he fires off in rapid succession. These questions are:

  1. "The Bible says, "God is love" and if God does not change, then who was God loving before creation? Itself?"
  2. "What was God doing? Was God Not content? Wouldn't the decision to begin creating be a change?"
  3. "How long did the, "God only" existing go on?
The author then states, "Now, I don't really have the answers to these questions, but it's just something to think about."

So what we have here, are 3 questions at least, more if each question within the question was written out, that the author not only does not know, but has no intention of trying to answer. Why ask them then? To do nothing more than to create doubt so that you will find the position he is about to begin stating as more plausible than the teachings of the scriptures. 

So before we move on with his presentation, lets look at these questions. Because if one studies the Bible, instead of throwing it out when we have a question, in favor of another gospel, we will learn that God's word is indeed reliable. 

So question one is, "The Bible says, God is love and if God does not change, then who was God loving before creation? Itself?"

What does the Bible say? When describing God, does the Bible only state that God is love? How about just this confession quoted? Well the confession cant say God is "love" alone, because by the authors very own slides and quotations, the quotes call God infinite in being and perfection, a most pure spirit, possesses all sovereign dominion over all things, all sufficient, etc. So if we are trying to be consistent to the word, and understanding the word, which I am SURE this author of the video is intending to do, we must say that God must be more than just "love". So the question is, if God is more than just love, which is an attribute, what are the other attributes of God? 

Well, we can, in a matter of speaking, kill two birds with one stone, by answering this question from the confession this author quoted, and give the scriptural foundation for each answer given. So, what attributes besides love does God possess:
  • God has all life - JOHN 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself.
  • Glory - ACTS 7:2 And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran.
  • Goodness - PSALMS 119:68 Thou art good, and doest good; teach me thy statutes.
  • Blessedness - TITUS 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords. - ROMANS 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
  • Most Wise - ROMANS 16:27 To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen
  • Most Holy - ISA 6:3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory. REV 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come..
  • Immense - 1 KINGS 8:27 But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded? JER 23:23 Am I a God at hand, saith the Lord, and not a God afar off? 24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the Lord. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the Lord.
  • Eternal - PSALMS 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God. 1 TIMOTHY 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
  • Almighty - GENESIS 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. REVELATION 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
I could continue for pages and pages. But suffice it to say, the authors first question has been answered. God, who is eternal as we see from the verses above, existed in perfect relationship within the trinity which Biblically is supported in places such as John 1, Matthew 3, Matthew 28, etc. So the triune God is eternally existent, complete and lacking nothing within Himself, existed outside of time and space, which mean there were no billions of years all alone which is grounded in scripture, and therefor as I said before, lacked nothing. And of course, God does love God. The Father loves the Son, the Son loves the Father and obeys Him, etc. 

The second part of the question is, God does not change. The author is making a simple category mistake between the activities of God, and the attributes of God. If every time God acted, He also was guilty of change, we would not be able to believe the Bible when it says in Malachi 3:6 that God does not change. The fact that God was speaking would be an activity and would then by default, according to this author, be changing. 

God, throughout the Bible, acts in His creation. He speaks to prophets in the Old Testament, brings judgement upon sinful cities, delivers enemies into hands of others, provides rescue through His perfect sovereignty to the Israelite's during the Exodus, and even judges Pharaoh for his rebellion and sin. 
This is not God changing His attributes, it is God acting within His creation. 

Now, if God were to somehow suddenly command things like homosexuality, murder, rape, etc. the author may have had a valid point. But that is NOT what the Bible says. So this simple category error costs the author question one. It shows a lack of Biblical study for the word of God, and simply ripping any text that fits into your own man made theology does not constitute Biblical support. So question one, in both of its parts, has been answered. In fact, this answer will help answer the other "questions" that were raised. 

Question 2 states, "What was God doing? Was God Not content? Wouldn't the decision to begin creating be a change?"


We have already shown that God is eternally existent within the 3 persons of the Father, Son, and Spirit, and was lacking nothing. Now, simply because we do not know every activity that happened prior to the creation means nothing. It is not important, nor is it mans business what God did prior to creation. And those who know how to read the Bible realize that we speak where the Bible speaks, and we are silent where the Bible is silent. We do not create our own theories that contradict the rest of scripture, and shove it into that space. That's how you end up with false doctrines, gospels, and gods. 

So, God was lacking nothing, in perfect triune relationship, and the decision to create did NOT change who God was. God is creator, which if this author had read the section "Of Creation" in the Westminster Confession, he would have known. Allow me to quote: "It pleased God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, for the manifestation of the glory of His eternal power, wisdom, and goodness, in the beginning, to create, or make of nothing, the world, and all things therein whether visible or invisible, in the space of six days; and all very good." So question two has also been answered. 

Question 3 states, "How long did the, "God only" existing go on?"

The answer? The question is asking for a time limit on an eternal being, who exists OUTSIDE of time. Therefor, it renders the question useless. God, being outside of time, can not be asked, "for how long did you exist when there was no time?" 

So, it seems that the first three questions have been easily answered by simply going to God's Holy and inspired Word. By reading the Bible for what it says, and not for what I want to make it say. By trusting the Bible as the final authority, we see it is in fact trustworthy. 

Do to the length of this post, and I am not even a full 3 minutes in, I will break the posts into 3 for the response to video 1. 

In closing, I would like to end with this inspired verse from Isaiah 40:8